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The following is an exact copy of the transcript between Kieron Brady and known Irish Republican's highlighted in David Leggat's Blog here: http://leggoland2.blogspot.com/
Note his signing off of these emails with the known IRA slogan Tiocfaidh ár lá.
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:02:38 EDT
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Jim,
Following on from our conversation earlier the person to contact would be Tommy Breslin at info @ theredcardscotland. org. In relation to the issue of songs Jim there is an ongoing feeling of disenfranchisement among the Green Brigade,the most politicized element of the Celtic support.
As a result of a lack of dialogue with the club they are disillusioned it would seem as there is an apprehension within the GB,but also from other fans that ejection from stadia will follow the first throes of O Father why or Oh I am a Merry Ploughboy. Peter Lawell was reluctant to publish a list of songs that Celtic would deem unacceptable or not.However in saying that the link below details what Celtic as a club deem unacceptable behaviour and after perusing this on several occasions I cannot forsee how Celtic could punish supporters for the aforementioned songs.The SPL's legislation though not verbatim is almost a mirror image,in that it is designed to discourage the basic forms of intolerance I.e racism,sectarianism,homophobia etc.Again as far as I can see there is nothing within the SPL legislation (see attatchment) which can punish Irish song even if it refers to the Easter Rising and the subsequent War of Independence.Anything else Jim I can help with then please let me know.
Kieron Brady
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Default Re: A meeting of The Celtic Online Community Today Throughout mainland Europe there has been no precedent set in relation to the issue that confronts us.There are complexities on the issue that are unlikely to be replicated elsewhere.Consequently there is no reference point which would allow us to second guess any eventuality.
I am an Irish Republican as many of us are.However that does not automatically transcend and morph into my support and love for Celtic FC.There is a possibility,imo very small,but a possibility nevertheless that certain songs may infringe the rules.Many within our ranks would have every confidence that a 'sectarian' charrge would be laughed out of court if levelled against the support and club for singing the Boys of the old brigade.
History tells us though that justice is not always served within courts and I would beseech our fans that until further notice,and certainly until further transparency,then we shoyuld adhere to what has been agreed.
I would have every confidence that the men and women we laud and revere in song would not mind our support refraining from comemmorating them if there was potential ramifications for the club we love.
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Hi Cairde,
I work for Show racism the Red Card and after months of proposals the organisation is now prepared to address anti-Irish racism and it's manifestations form supporters in stadia to the subtle anti-Irishness that emanates from the written press.I intend to ensure that Irish players who play in Scotland will be given the same protection regarding racism as players who are abused as a consequence of their skin colour.We are discussing this issue in July or August and will keep you posted of anything relevant.
Cheers
GSI
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Hi Cairde,
I work for Show racism the Red Card and after months of proposals the organisation is now prepared to address anti-Irish racism and it's manifestations form supporters in stadia to the subtle anti-Irishness that emanates from the written press.I intend to ensure that Irish players who play in Scotland will be given the same protection regarding racism as players who are abused as a consequence of their skin colour.We are discussing this issue in July or August and will keep you posted of anything relevant.
Cheers
GSI
GSI
Absolutely wonderful news. If you need any assistance with it our organisation would be more than willing to help.
In the middle of replying to this I called Jim Slaven (Our National Organiser) and he is delighted with the move. He says anything we can do just get in touch. He will be more than willing to offer advice on it.
Mariea
Mariea
No problem Cairde,as soon as there is anything further to report I will let you know.BTW tell Gordon Burt that Kieron was asking after him
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Originally Posted by Cairde Shop
At a Cairde meeting recently we discussed the 'singing rebs at the football' debate. (or more specfic the thread on here "away day provos")
The final outcome of that discussion was that we wont allow our songs to be criminalised or classed socially unacceptable to suit the SFA.
We would rather educate the SPL clubs on the issue than start pointless protests and campaigns. As you'll be aware, The songs really don't get sang at CP so it would be more a case of offering advice to the other clubs on the songs and on the issue of flags.
There are plans afoot, in another 'section' of the support for educating fans but I can't really say too much on that as its in very early stages and will take a bit of work.
We really are only at the consideration point just now on the best way to go about this and would welcome some advice. I suggested yourself as you may have some experience with your involvement with show racism the red card and Jim has asked if I could contact you to see if you'd mind chatting with him.
We are all of to Belfast tomorrow so will prob be leater in the week before I can commit myself to dealing with this but thought I'd sound you out while I have some time today. I am in the shop from 11am if you want we could have a chat before hand.
I can explain better then too
Let me know what you think. Oh and we are NOT out to hurt the club here .... our only aim is to protect our cultural identity 'defending Irish rights in Scotland' in the best way possible.
Mariea
I am accompanying Mince today in a meeting with Lawell and am determined to endeavour to get as much information as possible.Depending on the time given I would like to stress that Celtic's attitude to songs may have implications for the Irish community in Scotland and am determined to make him aware that songs of the Easter Rising and subsequent War of Independence are songs that reflect the men and women who are recognised by the Irish government as heroes and patriots.Consequently these men and women have buildings,roads,train stations,bus stations,football clubs.libraries and many other things named after them.It will however depend on the time allowed but am sure that the other fans represented will have similar concerns.Will probably put something in depth on the forum this evening,well either myself or Mince.Will converse with Jim without any problems but at this stage it will be me and not RTRC as I am not an employee in Scotland.
Enjoy Belfast
Kieron
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Mariea,
Just back and the issue of the songs has not been resolved in the long term.My thoughts are that Lawell is not well versed on the issue so he is in the dark as much as anyone.He at no time demanded an end to rebel songs and empasised the clubs pride in the Irish aspect of our identity.The upshot was that as a short term solution as of tomorrow all fans should start a rendition of Hail Hail if any contentious songs arise.The idea being that Hail Hail is instant and we all know the words and is vocal enough to drown the others who maybe singing other songs.Btw the meeting today did not involve the club if you know what I mean.Lawell wants the Hail Hail idea to be the idea of the forums without Celtic FC involvement.The reason being he does not want the press thinking that Celtic are acknowledging we have any issues,even issues political in nature.Therefore on CM,Kerrydale St,Keep the faith,C Quick news,Jungle Bhoys there will be stickies tonight asking the supporters tomorrow to comply with this request but will not mention the meeting today took place.The media may go with the Hail Hail thing though tomorrow morning even without the clubs involvement.
BTW the spontaneous song and Hail Hail was my idea
Kieron
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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:15:35 -0500
Subject: Re: ANTI IRISH RACISM
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Joe,
I have corresponded with Tommy regarding the march.Marches are not generally something that SRTRC as a campaign,either side of the border engage in.That said Tommy's
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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:35:53 -0500
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Joe,
Scrap that last mail.
Marches are not something SRTRC normally engage in but Tommy has said that a SRTRC banner could be created for the march.This would have to be approved by Ged Grebby,the SRTRC Project co-ordinator and Billy Singh in SRTRC Scotland.As I said before Joe I am not really in a position to make decisions that are within the jurisdiction of SRTRC Scotland and my interest had been prompted by the fact that once again anti-Irish sentiments are being ignored by the mainstream media.
With that in mind contacting Tommy or Billy may prove more fruitful.These are the addresses of both.Sorry Joe that I cannot be more helpful but as stated it is outwith my influence.Just received your second mail and I am surprised there has never been a response forthcoming from SRTRC Scotland.Tommy is very aware of the presence of anti-Irish racism within Scottish society and is up to speed on this march and what has compelled it to take place.I would like to think that any contact now would be beneficial.
My reluctance to become overly involved stems from being warned off to an extent of becoming involved with matters in Scotland.I had several run-ins with certain journalists recently in Scotland who I felt were encouraging racist and sectarian attitudes.They then went to SRTRC Scotland who in turn let Ged Grebby know and I was told to curtail my anger so to speak.
Although that was all that was said I did feel that I perhaps had undermined my colleagues in Scotland,hence my reluctance to become heavily involved.All that said I would not be amused if the message cannot be endorsed in some form even if there is a non-attendance of SRTRC representation at the march itself.
Kieron
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Subject: RE: ANTI IRISH RACISM
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:23:01 +0000
Kieron
I dont know if I got your full message, or was that Mahatma Gandhi replying.
Thats fair enough about marching, but I have emailed SRTRC on several ocasions and they have not once even replied.
Do you think they would even send a message of support recognising the fact that Anti Irish Racism is a problem in Scotland ?
Joe
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Re: Calton Media Press Release
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Originally Posted by Cairde Shop
Kieron
Can you do me a favour in a wee while. Post their press release. I dont want them knowing I go on their site. If you dont want to either can you pass it to someone who will?
Thanks
Mariea
Residents of Kirkintilloch have for months now been complaining about the rowdy behaviour of local youths which has included drunken street fights and vandalism. Their plight has now taken a new sinister turn with the involvement of Irish republicans and the introduction of sectarian politics. Amongst the many recent acts of vandalism which included attacks on residents cars and property, a small plaque to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the deaths of 10 Irish migrant workers in a local bothy was also damaged.
The police and the local council considered this to be an act of vandalism but under pressure from Irish republicans the local police force have now recorded this incident as ‘sectarian’. The gangs of local youths who have been terrorising the community in Kirkintilloch have now seen one random act of vandalism been elevated to that of a premeditated act with a sinister bigoted motive behind it.
Kirkintilloch has for years been a relatively quiet area which has not had any history of sectarian violence or disorder. There is no evidence to suggest the damage done to this memorial plaque was anything other than that of these disaffected youths.
The police have been fully aware of the situation the local residents are having to endure and who are now considering setting up local neighbourhood watch schemes. When referring to the plight of local residents on the 1st of August this year, acting Chief Inspector David Brown said: "I have received complaints from people in the area and they are being looked into by experienced staff. "There's no quick fix solution and we have to look at the problems in the long term. It is very much work in progress. We are aware of the situation and are looking to improve circumstances for the people there." This ‘long term’ view has taken a considerable step backwards by this claim of a sectarian motive behind the damage done to the memorial plaque.
Not content with this, Irish republicans plan to step up their campaign in Kirkintilloch by holding a parade on Saturday the 17th of November. They intend to push their claim that this attack was not simply sectarian but in fact an act of anti Irish racism. In what has to be seen as an attempt to stir up sectarian resentment amongst local residents they intend to route this parade past the Kirkintilloch Rangers Supporters Club.
Originally Posted by GODSAVEIRELAND
No problem,will do it now of you wish.
Originally Posted by Cairde Shop
Anytime is cool.
What do you make of it
They're unbelievable eh?
M
Originally Posted by GODSAVEIRELAND
Am I right in saying the memorial was attacked on two occasions,the second being the more severe
Originally Posted by Cairde Shop
I'm going to disappear for an hour.
Should be in the shop by now lol. I'll see if Joe can confirm about the 2nd attack once I'm in Glasgow
Mariea
Originally Posted by GODSAVEIRELAND
It was Joe who told me it was attacked twice.It is on the forum now
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Originally Posted by GODSAVEIRELAND
Will the RFB's play their normal music or will they omit certain songs due to the nature of the march.
BTW I gave Joe Tommy's addy so hopefully something can be arranged.As I said to Joe I cannot make decisions on behalf of SRTRC Scotland
Originally Posted by Cairde Shop
What certain songs do you mean?
Usually its up to the band sarge on the day what gets played ..... If theres something you think shouldnt be played let me know and I can at least ask.
No probs Kieron - I know this.
Originally Posted by GODSAVEIRELAND
No Mariea I had just meant if they refrained from playing the PIRA stuff for example.I know these would be commonplace at Republican marches but was unsure at other marches.I had thought that there may be people in attendance who would be anti-Irish racism but not necessarily proponents of the armed struggle.
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Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:27:43 -0500
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Joe
I have mailed the following to the University after someone on Celtic Minded gave me the address.
I have also wrote to Show racism the Red Card in Scotland letting them know my displeasure at the latest episode of anti-Irish sentiments.
I understand there have been complaints made in relation to the comments by Jeanette Findlay on BBC radio several days ago.
My name is Kieron Brady and I work for the anti-racist charity Show racism the Red Card.
Once again an issue has been sensationalised which has led to people I have conversed with speaking of anti-Irish sentiments being a motivating factor.
Yesterday Jeanette Findlay spoke of Irish song after being sidetracked by Nicky Campbell from the premise of the interview which was focusing on John Reid's appointment as the chairman of Celtic FC.
Findlay made Campbell aware that many Celtic fans do not regard the men and women of the 1916 period as 'terrorists.'The Irish government recognise the sacrifices of these patriots every year with a comemmoration around the Easter period.These men and women are generally accepted Irish patriots.At the comemmoration this year the British Ambassador to Dublin was in attendance.
Throughout Ireland there are roads,streets,avenues,train stations,bus stations,libraries,barracks,sporting clubs which are named in honour of these men and women.The people who fought were Catholic,Protestant and I daresay others who had no religious adherence.They had came together in a common cause,to remove the English presence from Irish soil.On Saturday afternoon I witnessed Alex McLeish,Lee McCulloch,Craig Gordon et al sing along with their countrymen with a stirring rendition of Flower of Scotland,a song paying tribute to those who fought to remove the English presence from Scottish soil.This was and is quite rightly regarded as an illustration of fervent patriotism and pride.This has not courted any controversy and why would it.It would seem patriotic airs are only problematic when they are Irish.
When Findlay made it clear she was talking about songs reflecting the period above then the issue becomes irrelevant..My frustration is also aimed at Celtic FC who are incredibly guilty of passive racism in that as a focal point for the Irish community in Scotland they are found wanting.
Let us imagine the Star spangled banner was played at football stadia to pay trinute to an American player at that particular club.The song is about Americans endeavoring to repel British bombardment at Fort McHenry in Maryland.Would this song create the hysteria that Mrs Findlay's comments have.I very much doubt it.The sensationalist nature of this coverage is indicative of elements within Scottish society that are seemingly still motivated by an intolerance of all things Irish.
Thank you for your time
Kieron Brady
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